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Aimee
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new hybrid

ordered a Callaway X Hot #5 hybrid (I currently have a #3 hybrid) which is I think last year's model - from Callaway Preowned. Got a coupon in email for 25% off so it's costing me $77 shipped. Since my iron swing is so shaky these days, thought it might be a good idea. Not likely to have it in time for this weekend's round, but maybe I'll get some range time in next week.

scomac
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Sweet deal, Aimee! I'm sure

Sweet deal, Aimee! I'm sure you'll appreciate the ease of use of a higher lofted hybrid on those "testy" swing days. I put a 5 H in my bag for yesterday's round that I borrowed from my son and found it to be a go to club for approach shots as I have been struggling with launch with the better player irons that are in my bag at the moment.

Scott Rushing
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yeah, good deal. I've got 3

yeah, good deal. I've got 3 hybrids in the bag right now and really like them. Let us know how you hit it.

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Aimee
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hit it

Worked at home today, so I went to the range late afternoon.
The #5 hybrid (26 deg) appeared to go almost as far as the old #3 hybrid (21 deg). Hard to tell on a range, will have to test it on a par 3 or something. It does get up in the air, that's for sure. So if the distances are in fact the same, may just ditch the old one. Wouldn't be surprised, with the updated technology...and this hybrid was on the "hot list" last year (gold award) and comments were that it was, in fact, "hot" off the face. It was weird the first time I set it down on the mat, much more offset than the old one and the club face is angled so much more for the loft so you really see the face. Feels a little lighter in weight, may just be the 1/2" diff in shaft length. Also curious to see how it works in the rough (which isn't too punishing yet, as grass hasn't fully grown in).

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Scott Rushing
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Yeah its' hard to know at the

Yeah its' hard to know at the range given the quality of the golf balls and especially here, wind has been swirling this season when I've been out there. But yeah, true test would be playing a few balls the next time you go out on several holes and see "on average" when you make a good swing, how it does. Wouldn't surprise me either with the length and new technology.

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Aimee
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distance

having played a few times with the hybrid and hitting into par 3's - where you can really get yardage - I have found that the 5h is probably 20 yards shorter than the 3h. Which is perfect, especially because of the high ball flight, I was able to use it to hit on to some elevated greens.

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Aimee
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another one

Callaway Preowned was having a clearance sale earlier this week, I jumped on the 4 hybrid (22 deg) to match my 5 hybrid (25 deg), paid just under $70 including shipping for one in fair condition (scratches on club face/sole, grip was new). It came on Thursday, I hit it at the range. The goal was to see if it went the same distance as my old 3 hybrid (21 deg) with a higher trajectory...thinking that the newer technology might have a hotter face. Couldn't tell from hitting at the range, distance appeared similar to the 3h, my eyes can't discern small yardage distances out in a field around 150 yards away. The test will come on Saturday's round, there are two par 3's where I could use it, one would tell me for sure if the new hybrid is longer because I'll go off the back of the green if so. The other one I often come up just short (uphill green, often windy because of exposure to adjacent lake) so I will see if I can get onto the front of the green if conditions are right for using that club instead of my 4W.

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scomac
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Aimee; I wouldn't be

Aimee; I wouldn't be surprised if the 4H was just as long as the 3H 9 times out of 10. I have a matched set of 3, 4 and 5H with 3° loft and 1/2" shaft length separating clubs. There's definitely a 10 yard gap between clubs off the tee when hit center face, but the gaps seem to be more like 7 yard at best when hitting from the turf. Most times, I'm just as far ahead to take the 4H rather than the 3H as it can be a challenge to launch.

Lately I've been playing a 7W instead of the 3H as it's more forgiving and easier to launch. I haven't pulled the 4H much lately unless I need an exact carry, opting instead for the 5H when the 7W is too much club. If I choke down on the 7W I'm fairly reliable at covering the 4H distance. Perhaps a 7W might be an option to consider.

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I've bought many things

I've bought many things through Callaway Preowned. Nice site. yeah, it's hard to tell distance control at the range, especially when the golf balls all are beat up and have such different distances. GD did a range ball test recently and found the distance and accuracy varied WIDELY depending on the range ball. Good luck on the course today.

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Aimee
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as noted in recap of my round, did not conclusively determine distance of 4h vs old 3h on the course. More testing required. If we play during a quiet time (ie, nobody behind us) might take 2 shots off the tee on par 3 to test it. Hit it again at the range on Sunday and can definitely see higher trajectory, so if it is close on the distance I'll be better off.

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DON
Ping Rapture 3 hybrid

I've demoed a lot of hybrids over the years, and NEVER was able to hit one well enough to even think of buying one. Then about 2 years ago I was in Sports Aurthority killing time while my wife was next store buying something she wanted, so I was looking at clubs when I found a brand new Ping 3 hybrid marked down to about half the MSRP. So for fun I hit some balls with it on the store launch monitor and was quite impressed with how well I could hit it and how far I was hitting it. For some reason I was able to hit the Rapture quite well which was a pleasant surprise. So I talked to the salesman about the club and he told me he had NO IDEA of WHY they even had a Ping club on the rack, as the store does NOT sell Ping clubs. So that is why they were selling it at a big discount, just to get rid of its. So I offered them a lower price, and they accepted my offer and I got it for about $50.00 if I remember correctly. Not bad for a brand new club that was still in the wrapper before I hit it.
Last week while on E-Bay I looked for a 4 or 5 Rapture hybrid to see what was available and was rather surprised at how MUCH they are asking for these clubs. NEW clubs that are 4 or 5 years old are listed at FULL retail price. Used ones are not cheap either. It seems that I may not be the only golfer that likes the Ping Rapture hybrids better than the others.

Don

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Aimee
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hybrid

interestingly, I never liked hybrids for the longest time, always hooked mine. After some instruction, got the proper swing down. And these hybrids have some offset (which took some getting used to) so they will go very straight for me, which makes them great for par 3's and shots into the green. I have stuck some shots where I would have rolled off with my old hybrid because of the higher trajectory I get with this one plus it has to be (back) spinning better, it's not like I'm hitting moon shots. I even make ball marks on the green with them!

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DON
What would a hybrid replace ???

I have a hard time trying to decide WHAT club would my Ping 18* 3 hybrid replace in my bag. I hit it in the area of 230 yards carry, and that is what I currently hit my 7 wood. So I'm not sure I want to pull out my trusty 7 wood to make room for the Ping. They both do about the same thing as far as I can see. I guess I'll have to take both clubs to the range and hit them both a couple dozen times and see which one I hit the best and most consistant. Which one is the most versatile?

Don

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Aimee
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3h vs 7w

Don, I think it depends on the type of playing conditions you deal with most often. Since you've mentioned that it is dry most of the time, you probably don't have the thick/heavy rough that we do here in NJ. Hybrids can get thru the thick stuff much better than woods. I have to believe that your 7w has a higher trajectory since the loft is greater, perhaps that is more beneficial if you are looking for a club to hit off fairways or on par 3's on the tee box?
Something seems off, I wouldn't think that a 7w would go the same distance as an 18 degree hybrid. The hybrid should go further, so maybe the 7w is just a better fit for your swing.

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DON
7w VS 3h

I'll have to do some side by side testing with my 18* 3 hybrid and my 218 7 Wood. I'd like to do some testing on a good launch monitor to get the launch angles, spin rates and carry distance for both. With my eyes I can't really see well enough to get accurate numbers for distance at the range. As long as I do the test side by side on the same machine the numbers should give me a good idea of what I could expect on the course. Thanks for your input on this and I'll let you know what I find out when I get a chance to hit some balls on a launch monitor.

Don

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Scott Rushing
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Yeah, agree Don. hit a

Yeah, agree Don. hit a monitor and get the numbers. Even if they're off, they should be consistently off on both. So you can see carry, launch angle, spin rates, etc. I guess it may come down to which one you 'trust' or which one is easier to hit out of the rough. Let's face it, most times, if you're needing 220+ yards, you're probably trying to hit a long Par 3 or it's an approach shot to a green. So you'd want in either of those cases something that launches high and lands soft. all other things being equal, I'd take the one that was more of that.

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scomac
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I'm reserecting this thread

I'm reserecting this thread to report I have a new purchase on the way.  A year ago I borrowed my son's TM Rescue hybrid for a round or two as I was struggling with my mid irons at the time.  It worked really well. Since then, I changed irons and subsequently bought a matching 5 hybrid to the Nickents that I already owned.

The new irons (Ping i25) were ordered 1.5° upright and since i've had them in the bag and got used to them I began to have increasing trouble with my old hybrids.  I played in a tournament with my son on the weekend and he brought along his rescues, so I hit them in place of my Nickents.  I pulled the 5 hybrid three times and in each instance stripped it dead straight down the middle.  I've borrowed these before and my experience was the same then.  So, I have a new to me TM '09 Rescue in 25° loft coming to replace both the hybrids I currently carry.

Why do these work?  It wasn't apparent until I got a hold of the specs for them and the Rescue plays at a 61° lie angle which is about 1.5° more upright than what I currently have.  I'd say that's it in a nutshell.  Too bad you can't just bend a hybrid, but I'm told that pretty much reserved for the tour vans.

So, my bag is going to be a little bit lighter now carrying 1, 3, 7, 5h, 6-PW, 52, 58 and P.  Truth be told, I'm sure I could get along fine with only 4 irons instead of 5 to cover the same yardages, but such is the case of modern loft gapping and how that plays out in the hands of shorter hitters.  It's pretty funny when i think about it; the typical modern set has perfect yardage gaps from say 180 down to about 100 yards and then leaves it up to the golfer to manufacture your own yardage gaps under 100 yards.  You've got to have touch for the short shots yet you can just swing away for the mid range shots.  That's counter intuitive when you would benefit more from accuracy closer to the hole than further out.  I guess that's why so many folks feel they have to carry 4 or even 5 wedges!

Scott Rushing
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Cool Sco.   I've been

Cool Sco.   I've been thinking about replacing my hybrids, both are different model Cobra hybrid but I'd like to hit some others before I just buy something.    but you're right, most modern sets have perfect 4 degree gaps in the irons and then leave you with only a couple short iron clubs.  Seems like it might be the other way around.  I carry 4 wedge now and that means I've pulled something like a 3I or 4H out of the bag.   but I use the wedges more so it pays off.

I usually get my clubs bent 1.5 to 2 dgerees upright due to my height.  Also changes how close you stand to the ball as I have to stand a little closer. 

I've just pulled the trigger on a Cleveland 5w to replace the Cobra I have used for years.  The Cleveland 3W I bought I really enjoy and so I thought I'd pair it with the 5W and probably help shorten the distance gap between my current 5W (215-220) and new 3W(240-250).  Given my 4H can reach into the 210 range, I figure I need a few more yards out of the 5W.   So we'll see how it does. 

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scomac
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Well, I won't do that again!

Well, I won't do that again!  I got a call last night from FedEx saying that I owed them $21.04 in import duties to go along with the $35 shipping charge!  I paid $59.99 for the club from 2nd Swing in Minneapolis, so my total cost is now about double!!  angry  That's a whole lot of coin for a used 6 year old club!  May as well just gone to Golftown and picked up a new one whatever was on sale for that price.  Thank gawd I actually have on-course experience with this club to know that it will work for me...

scomac
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Just a quick update.  I had

Just a quick update.  I had sent an e-mail to 2nd Swing regarding the shipping and resultant duties.  They have sent me a refund to cover the additional charges.  I'm shocked that they would go that far.  I guess there must be enough margin to cover the odd problem and avoid losing a customer.  Thumbs up!  Check them out if you're looking for used clubs as they have a huge selection!

Scott Rushing
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So if their in Minnapolis,

So if their in Minnapolis, why the intenational charges?  They sold you a club they had to get from China?  I've seen that company come up recently in search results while searching for a Cleveland 5w.  But I didn't know anything about them so I steered clear.  May have to look a little closer.

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So if their in Minnapolis,

So if their in Minnapolis, why the intenational charges?

I'm in Canada!  wink

For a US resident in the continental 48, they're a no brainer if you're looking for used.  Pretty solid for new appraently too as they are one of Ping's top fitters! 

scomac
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And as an added note, the

And as an added note, the club arrived at my home yesterday afternoon, less than 48 hrs after shipping from Minneapolis.  Impressive; no?

This maybe the first true rescue club I've owned as it really does have a lot of head weight that helps it get right down and dig a ball out of the rough.  The weighting reminds me a bit of a laminate fairway as I've had a fair bit of success using those out of the rough when playing vintage.

DON
Bending the lie of a Hybrid

A few years ago I came up with a way to change the Loft or Lie or both on a fairway wood. My method of doin this will work just as well for a driver or a hybrid. The reason I came up with my method was that finding a good 4 wood was very differcult, as most OEM's  today don't offer a 4 wood, just the 3W and 5W. And since I've seen a LOT of press lately on going to a 4W instead of the 3w and 5W. I decided to come up with a method of converting either a used 3W or 5W to a 4 wood. Depending on the brand of fairway woods, a 3W is usually 15*, and 5W are either 18* or 19*. So I figured out a way to convert a 5W I had on hand into a 4 wood with 16.5* of loft, half way between my current 15* and 18* woods. Works out exactly as planned. I now get more distance with the 4W than I did with my 5W and a little less than what the 3W gave me. The menthod I came up with is pretty easy to do and will NOT harm the club head in any way. And it is reversealbe if the golfer decides to go back to the original loft or lie angle.

Don

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