TaylorMade M1 driver

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DON
TaylorMade M1 driver

I recently saw and ad for the new M1 driver from TaylorMade Golf. It has TWO movable weights in the head. One goes toe to heel to change the ball flight from a fade to a drea, or the other way. The second weights moves front to back to raise or lower the launch angle and spin rate. The head also comes with an adjustable hosel so you can play with the face angle and loft.

What really got my eye was the fact that the head is now a Composite design, with a carbon fifer crown. similar to the old Cleveland Launcher Comp that I love. Can't wait to demo one to see if it's as nice as my old 460 Comp.

Scott Rushing
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What about the HONMA driver,

What about the HONMA driver, Japanese company.    Have you seen it?  It now includes the ability for adjust the shaft LENGTH.   Not cheap but you can add or subtract .5 inch from the length, along with the other normal adjustments on drivers these days...

 

http://www.pgatoursuperstore.com/honma-g1x-driver/1000000003869.jsp

 

 

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DON
NON rotattion of the shaft is good

Adjusting the club length from 45.5 to 46, is NOT that big of a deal. i doubt most golfers would see any big difference in distance at 46", and we all know that the Tour Pros use drivers that are Shorter then 45", so I don't see any reason to go longer. What I DO LIKE about the HONMA driver is that the shaft does NOT rotate when you make the hosel adjustments for loft, lie or Face Angle. This is something that I have been telling the major OEM to do for years now. I don't know how many golfers will use the Lie angle adjustment very much. But the Loft adjustment would be nice to have. Dial in your best performance by getting the launch angle correct for your swing speed and spin rate would be good. Face Angle ajdjustmetn is a total waste of time in my opinion. I always AIM the club face at my target, so I do NOT care if the face is open or close on the club, I SET it Square when I align the club to the target at address. I can NOT imagine NOT setting the face of the club when I set up to the ball. Set it Open if I want to hit a fade, or Closed if I want to hit a draw. Squaire if I want to hit a straight ball flight. I see NO need to be able to adjust the FA of a club with a hosel adjustment.

Don

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scomac
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Face Angle ajdjustmetn is a

Face Angle ajdjustmetn is a total waste of time in my opinion. I always AIM the club face at my target, so I do NOT care if the face is open or close on the club, I SET it Square when I align the club to the target at address. I can NOT imagine NOT setting the face of the club when I set up to the ball. Set it Open if I want to hit a fade, or Closed if I want to hit a draw. Squaire if I want to hit a straight ball flight. I see NO need to be able to adjust the FA of a club with a hosel adjustment.

You are in the minority DON because you can hit a fade or draw on demand.  Most recrational golfers lack the control of the club to do that.  All they are really looking for is to hit it straight and long in the fairway.  Having a adjustable face angle can be used to correct those golfers who have swing path issues or don't release the clubhead effectively.  Tom Wishon has written extensively on the benefits of closed face drivers for those with path and release issues that are chronic slicers of the ball with the driver.  You might be surprised to learn that many tour pros have their driver face angle set to something other than square.  It's all about fine tuning the numbers.

DON
The MAIN reason  some our

The MAIN reason  some our pros set the face angle closed is that it promotes a Higher Launch angle with the driver. When the pro OPENs the face to hit the ball straingt he Increases the Loft of the driver, and that means a Higher launch angle and uusall more distance.

As I stated in my last post, WHY NOT just Close the face of the driver if you fight a slice, rather than close the club face with a hosel adjusment. EITHEH way the idea is to get the face Straight at impact, and either closing the face at SetUP or my adjusting the hosel witl do the SAME thing. I see No reason to Adjust the hosel when I or any other golfer could just Aim the face at setup. And let's not forget that the rulse of golf do NOT allow a golfer to adjust the drver DURING a rould by adjusting the hosel. BUT any golfer CAN adjust the face angle by AIMING the face either closed or open at Setup, ANY time they want to.

Don

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scomac
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As I stated in my last post,

As I stated in my last post, WHY NOT just Close the face of the driver if you fight a slice, rather than close the club face with a hosel adjusment. EITHEH way the idea is to get the face Straight at impact, and either closing the face at SetUP or my adjusting the hosel witl do the SAME thing. I see No reason to Adjust the hosel when I or any other golfer could just Aim the face at setup.

Because when you close the face at set-up you are delofting the club.  With the hosel adjustment you can at least theoretically close the face independent of the loft of the club.  So, if you have a golfer that struggles with a slice and needs loft to achieve otpimum launch you can't really do that by simply setting up with a closed face. 

DON
NOT Ture

If you check the way TaylorMade hosel adjustments work, you can NOT adjust the face angle and NOT change the loft at the same time. When you change one, you change both. Bottom line is whether you close the face by a hosel adjustment of my how your setup, you are delofting the club. But that is NOT a problem IF you square up the face at impact, as that would return the club to it's original loft.

Don

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Scott Rushing
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So interesting..there's an

So interesting..there's an article in one of the golf mags and one of the cheif product guys at TM is there talking about adjustable drivers...his take essentially is that adjustments made to change to fix hooks and slices is not real practical because there are too many variables in play in a persons swing to think a slight adjustment there will deal with it.  When asked where adjustable drivers overrated he said no; because the adjustments you can make can improve your launch angle and help you improve distance.  He said that it's complex physics, but to increase your launch angle, close the clubface.  he admits that seems opposite of what you'd think but that it's true.

Wish I knew more physics.... :)

 

 

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DON
It's really kind of simple Scott

 

Let's  say you have TWO 10/5* drivers, One with a closed club face, one with an open face.

Let's also assume you want to hit the ball Straight, NO fade or hook.  In order to do that with the driver with the Closed face, the golfer would have to OPEN the face a little coming into impact. Doing that would ADD loft to the driver.

Whit the driver with the Open face, the golfer would have to Close the face of the driver coming into impact. Doing so would REMOVE loft from the driver.

This the WHY a closed face driver will launch the ball Higher than a driver with an open face.

Don

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Scott Rushing
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That's assuming one returns

That's assuming one returns either clubface "square" at impact...which isn't  something most amatuers do very well :)

But I understand the logic there.

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DON
I just checked out the latest

I just checked out the latest details on the new M1 driver on the TaylorMade site. One thng jumped out at me when I looked at all of the things they had to say about the driver. If you remember the last new driver TM came out with, one of the main things they talked about was the Higher CG of the club and how this higher CG promoted More distance. With the new M1 driver they at talking about the Lower CG and how it promotes More distance. Seems like the guys at TM can NOT decide which is longer, Low Cg or High CG. Is it any wonder why the average golfer has NO IDEA of what's best when the tech reps at the top OEM's keep saying different things from one year to the next???

Don

Putting is easy if you have the Right Putter.

scomac
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Don,

Don,

That confirms my feeling that you play what works.  If your clubs work well, use them until they need replacing.  Don't go looking for some pot-o-gold over the rainbow based on all the hype that surrounds new club offerings.  If you have a club or clubs that are causing you trouble then search for a replacement.  Hit everything you can get your hands on and ignore the talking heads and marketers.  Buy what works.  

We're lead to believe that everything new is revolutionary.  Few things are.

Scott Rushing
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Well, you see this with the

Well, you see this with the Cobra.   what they're going to is if you set it in the lower CG setting, you get higher ball flight and more carry.  if you go with higher CG, you get a the lower trajectory, more "boring" and more roll.  So depending on your course conditions, you might be better with one or the other. 

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Aimee
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setup

It also depends on your swing. Don't assume the same thing works for all swings. All the testing is done with lab-perfect swing path. We play with a guy who is a pretty good golfer, very smooth and level swing, and when he got a new TM driver (one of the Burner models - his son is a Pro, so he gets the gear) he picked up yardage with the same swing. We play with him almost every week, so it isn't BS, we could see it. His buddy, on the other hand, has a wild erratic swing and no change in technology would help him.

It's not how...it's how many

Scott Rushing
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yes, testing/trying different

yes, testing/trying different combinations is important.  I'm still loving the new shaft in the driver I installed this summer, which was done based on the numbers I was seeing off the launch monitor.  So play around with various combinations if you can.

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cac
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What difference can the right

What difference can the right shaft and wrong shaft have ? Worst and best case senario ? CAC.smiley

cac handed Geordie.

DON
Shafts CAN make a BIG difference.

There are ALL kinds of things different shafts can do for how the club performs for each golfer. Assuming you have the CORRECT flex for your swing speed and tempo, different shaft weights can make a big difference in how WELL you hit the ball. /Most tour pros play a 75 gram shaft in their drivers as this gives them more consistancy in their swing so they hit the ball more consistantly in the center of the head. It also make for a more consistant swing speed and tempo. Bend point can effect both the spin and the launch angle you get. As a club maker I truely believe that HOW the shaft is ALIGNED when it is installed in the head makes the MOST difference of all. It the shaft is NOT properly Spine and FLO aligned before it's installed in the head, you will NEVER get the most from the shaft or the completed club. This goes for ALL the clubs in your bag, NOT counting the putter. Having seen and felt the difference spine and FLO alignment has on all clubs, I would NEVER build a club without doing the alignment on the shaft. While most golfers do NOT know it, it is a fact that a clubmaker CAN install a shaft in a way that will CAUSE the ball to Slice or Hook, depending on how the shaft is aligned in the head. This is something I learned from talking to the presidcnt of SST Puring some 13 years ago. So the fact is that a golfer could be hitting a slice due to the shaft, and NOT his or her swing. Same for a nasty Hook.

Shaft Torque rating can also have an effect of how well or poorly the club will perform for the golfers. Too much torque will allow the club face to OPEN too much on Toe hit balls, and that can cause a slice and lose of distance and poor accuracy. Bottom line is that a properly aligned shaft and make or break every club in your bag and it's not worth it to NOT have the work done on your clubs, no matter what your skill level is. Truth is your LACK of consistent ball striking could be YOUR fault or it could be the fault of your CLUBS, at least in part.

Don

Putting is easy if you have the Right Putter.

Scott Rushing
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CAC

CAC

True story..last year I headed for a fitting in Raleigh NC, about 2 hrs from me.  Was looking for someone who seemed to really know fitting and would really look at the ball spin/flight data from my swing and help steer me.   Took most of my clubs out there he tested them.  Interesting result:  All of my clubs where labelled STIFF flex...going through my bag on his frequency devices, the actual stiffness in my clubs varied from WAY too extreme (in the driver) to essentially ladies flex in my hybrids, and everything in between.  Thats a big problem with off the rack clubs.  My data showed I wasn't hitting the ball high enough to maximize carry.  Swapped out the driver shaft for an aftermarket shaft that was supposed to launch higher, and I can see the difference in ball flight.  Shortened up the shaft to have more control, and even with that, I haven't lost distance that I can see.  So increasing launch angle while shortening the shaft and making it a little easier to hit, I'm still carrying about 250-260yards. 

 

So I'm a firm believer in getting the right shaft.  Now, it's not easy for the average golfer since we don't know what we're buying.  So to me, I've seen enough that I'm more willing now to get fitted for clubs or at least somehow measure the shaft setup before I buy.  Because just because it's labelled a stiff doesn't make it a stiff...

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Aimee
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aftermarket shafts

Agree with Scott...I bought my Taylormade R9 driver with the stock "senior" flex shaft and just felt that it wasn't doing anything for me (didn't feel the same as the one I had demo'd and I wasn't getting the same yardage as my old driver). Did some research and found a shaft that had a performance profile that seemed to match my swing, and the difference was noticeable as soon as I switched it out.

It isn't just the raw swing speed number that determines the best shaft for you, it is how you "load" the shaft, which is tied in to your swing tempo. Smooth swing vs a swing that is shorter and accellerates thru the ball will dictate different types of shafts. If you think of it as "snapping a whip", if you don't get that coiled energy and then transfer it properly to the ball, you lose yards.

It's not how...it's how many

DON
I saw a video recently that

I saw a video recently that was a side  by side test of the M1 and the new M2 drivers. Same shaft make and flex and same loft head. The guy got pretty much the EXACT same results from both clubs, same carry, same spin rate, and same despersion. So the only difference he saw was the Price and NO movable weights with the M2. Price difference is about $100.00 retail.

What I would have LIKED the guy to do would have been to use the EXACT same shaft in both heads. Hit the M1 and then remove the shaft and use the exact same shaft installed the SAME way in the M2 head. That would have been a test of the TWO heads with every thing else the same. Haveing the same make and model shaft in both clubs is NOT the same as using the same shaft in both clubs. I know for a fact that no two shaft will play the same even if ther are the same make and model shaft. So that's what I would have done if I was doing the side by side comparision, use ONE shaft for both heads.

Don

Putting is easy if you have the Right Putter.

Scott Rushing
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Agree Don.  I think most

Agree Don.  I think most people assume one stiff shaft is like the next one...which couldn't be farther from the truth..

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DON
I posted a story about my

I posted a story about my hitting two used drivers at Golfsmtth a few years back. They were the SAME drivers, same head, same loft, same make and model shaft in the same flex. One driver I hit nice and straight, and the other I was slicing way out to the right. Once I was able to pull the shafts and do a Spine and FLO alignment on both shafts, they all of a sudden performed the same way. It was the HOW the shaft was installed in the heads that was the big difference as they came from the factory. This is a perfect example of why I tell golfers that IF they demo a club and they hit it well. buy THAT club and not one just like it off the shelf. They may look the same, but they are NOT the same.

Don

Putting is easy if you have the Right Putter.