Just read the review of Snake Eyes 600 series irons that the guy built with Tri-Gold shafts, same shafts I have in my LX2's. No longer being made, does anyone out there know where to get a set? Like to find a set of R flex if possible, playing X-Stiff now. Thanks for any help you can provide. Don. P.S. tried to add this to equipment section, but it's still not working right.

Don, as you know I don't build, but found these guys:
http://www.diamondtour.com/product_info.php?products_id=535&osCsid=a6d9f375a245a87d36a5a26876206aa8

Don't know if they're a good company or not (or price for that matter.) Seemed like a reasonable price to me anyway. Poor man's "Project X Rifles" huh? I like it!

Oh, I wann't sure, I interpreted your request for shafts only. I though you could pull the ones you have and re-shaft... did you mean a full set of Leland irons?

I'm looking at new shafts only. When I had my swing analysis, I hit more accurate shots with R flex shafts then with my X-Stiff shafted LX2's. That's the reason to go to R flex shafts. Wouldn't help to pull the shafts I have and use them in new clubs. Besides, I really like the LX2's as they are, just looking for even more accuracy in my irons. Thanks for the link, will check it out after I finish here. On the Project X shafts you mentioned, they all have HIGH bend points, not variable. Only the Rifle Flighted shaft come that way as far as I have been able to tell. I talked to a Rifle rep, and he told me that with all sets of shafts, the bend point moves up the shaft as you trim more and more off the tip, but with the Flighted shafts, the longer irons have a greater difference in bend point than a normal set of shafts. This just maked it that much easier to get the ball into the air with the longer irons. Another feature of the Tri-Gold set, is that the shaft weights decrease as you go to the longer shafts. That's the exact opposite of what you have in a standard set. A PW shaft is a cut down 3 iron shaft, so it weights less. With the Tri-Gold set, the 3 iron shaft weighs 109 grams, and the PW shaft weighs 127 grams. I assume this is to help increase carry distance with the longer irons. Most golfers don't have as much yardage gain when they get to the 4 or 3 irons as they do between the 9 and 8 irons. Any little advantage wouldn't hurt. I think I know why TT stop making them, they must be a big pain to make a set with variable bend points, PLUS, lighter weight for the longer shafts. But I sure like the way I can hit my 3 iron compared to any other one I have tried. The design works well, it's just expensive to build.

Thanks Mr_Divots for the link. I just placed my order for R flex shafts. The shaft set they have are the Sensicore version of the Tri-Gold set. That's the same as I am using now, and sold for $160.00 a few years ago. Without Sensicore they sold for $100.00. So the price you found was quite good and I owe you one. Maybe two? You are a handy person to know. Well, not know exactly, but sort of know. If you do come out to Colorado remind me to let you hit the new clubs with the new shafts. Do try to make it out, it would be great to meet you, I know Jake will second that statement. Later, Don.

Don,
Glad to help! I'll bet you'll really like those clubs now. I guess that was a good price then! We'll have to see about a visit to CO. I have a lot of medical issues and don't really travel much. Diabetes for 25 years(use an insulin pump) and also have severe food allergies and Gluten Intolerance (Celiac Disease). Can't eat wheat, rye, oats, or barley (toxic to my guts.) So my diet is very specific. I just got diagnosed with that 2.5 years ago and haven't figured out how I'd travel yet. I went to Seattle about 5 years ago when I just had Diabetes to worry about and accidentally ate some cake with nuts in it. Emergency room visit first night. Great house guest huh?
Golf is such a great activity for me because I can plan ahead and pack food for the day with my special breads, crackers, etc. Day to day living is a real balancing act often times. Hard for people to understand sometimes. Wheat is in everything you can imagine! Its tough being Diabetic too and having low bloodsugar and needing something gluten free to eat quickly. So I'm a mess, but golf is good for me anyway! I haven't developed an allergy to it YET!
I am very healthy, but it takes a lot of work to maintain. So please don't feel bad (you too Jake) if I don't make it out there. I'm just not real comfortable with the thought of travel right now.

Got my Tri-Gold shafts delivered yesterday. Got two sets at that price, $154.00 for 2 sets. They are just as advertised, so I'm quite pleased with the purchase. Now I just need to get the new 600 series iron heads and start building the replacement set of clubs. Thanks to Mr_Divots, I got a real good deal on two sets of great shafts. Thanks for all your help. Don

Don,
You re-shaft your Leyland irons yet Bud?
How you been swingin'? Did all that snow melt yet? Still making strides with the driver distance?

I have no plans to re-shaft the LX2's at this time. I wanted the new shafts to build a new set of 600C irons. Still hitting the driver longer than in the past this spring. All the snow melted off and now I have to mow my lawn. DAMN. Getting a little rain as I type this, so the grass should be growing on the golf course also. That will be a welcome thing. Plan to get together with Jake on Wednesday for some practice and 18 holes.

Don,
Reshaft those lelands! I bet you will have better results with the regular flex shafts. You could still use the other set for the 600c's, and try out the lelands with the regular flex in them before you bother to build the new ones. X flex is a lot to handle.

Because you don't build your own clubs, I will let you in on a secret. It's more trouble to pull the shafts from the Leyland heads then it's worth. I can buy all new heads for about $75.00 including shipping. What I might do, and it's still only a might at this time, is build a second set of LX2's with the R flex shafts and then I would have two sets of the same irons to compare one on one. That would tell me more than pulling the shafts and then not having a direct comparison between sets. Pulling shafts is just not that much fun, and it takes a lot of time to do it so you don't ruin either the shaft or the head. Right now, it's not worth it to me. After I get the 600's build and I have time to play with them for awhile, I'll figure out what I want to do with the second set of Tri-Gold shafts. Any thing new on the chance of you coming out to Colorado for a round? Later, Don.

Last I heard you guys were up to your eyeballs in the white stuff! $75 huh? Not bad!
My men's club starts this Saturday. Should be a good time. I've played a couple rounds with two of the guys just by coincidence getting paired up and they were damn good golfers, so I'm excited. Early tee times though, yuck! Golf, nap, lunch, practice golf, nap. Sounds like a good Saturday to me!
I would probably be in trouble if I built my own clubs. For $75 bucks I'd be buying new clubs every other week! I still haven't tried my Mp-33's yet this Spring! I'm afraid I'll embarass myself if I do!
I'm trying to figure out a new career path right now on top of working M-F as is. Job has been a major disappointment for a while now, so looking to change. Not sure what the summer will bring exactly.

Mr_D,

Let me know how your group works out. I'm getting pretty fed up with all the petty BS from some of my group's members and I'm curious if it's something in our setup or just the nature of the beast.

Somebody else better run this thing next year - I haven't had a relaxing Sunday round yet.

JW

JW; I know what you mean about running your Sunday golf rounds. For over 10 years I ran the local pistol shooting matches twice a month. Had about 200 shooters in the club. Never could figure out how to make half of them happy, so I just decided to do what made me happy and let them complain. I'd design a course of fire, and 1/3 of them felt it was too hard, 1/3 felt it was too easy, and the rest didn't care. When I quit running the matches, I told the new club president that he would have 200 stupid idiots to deal with, so he had better get used to it. HE TOLD ME I WAS BEING MEAN AND HARSH. Six months later he called to tell me I was right, they were a bunch of stupid idiots. The club has had 10 presidents in the past 15 years, and it's because it's no fun when you have to deal with idiots every month. Once you learn that you can't make most of the members happy no matter what you do, you can just do what's best for the whole club and not let the idiots get to you. Come Sunday, get things set up and running, and then TURN OFF THE SWITCH, you're off the clock, and playing golf and don't want to be disturbed until after your last putt on 18. Sure, some of the cry babies will be mad at you because you don't want to answer questions in the middle of you back swing, but the hell with them. I had my share of members that thought I was an ASS, because I didn't want to stop and answer their questions at certain times during a match, but I didn't let it ruin my day. If someone complains, just put them in charge the next week, and then ask them all kinds of stupid questions and see if they get the message. Common sense, isn't real common, and golfers and no different. Good luck with your group on Sundays.

JW,
What are the complaints you are getting? From the post a while back (rental clubs) it sounded like many haven't even played before!? The Men's club I joined is run by employees of the golf course. They set up the tee times and collect dues and all that. The schedule is set at the beginning of the season. Different formats from week to week. I chose the golf course I did because its a slightly more challenging track than some of the other local courses. I figured more serious golfers would play. I was right. I've met a few of them, and they're really low cappers, some play in the State Publinks and amateur events. I think some courses (no offense to you of course) sometimes draw more idiot hackers than others. I went with my gut feeling based on courses I've played around me and the types of players I have encountered at them.

Don,
It's funny you mention your experience at the gun club. My uncle belongs to a shooting club locally and he has had much the same experience when he has helped organize events. "Western-style" events I think he said they're called. Different stations involved. Sounds similar. I think I'd rather deal with idiots with golf clubs than idiots with guns in their hands!

Most of the complaints come from a core group of morons. Things like:

Only wanting to play with certain people.
Going out in the fourth group instead of the first.
Why did I want their handicap index instead of their home course handicap.
Why did I mark an are GUR?
Why didn't I mark an area GUR?
Why can't we role the ball everywhere instead of in your own fairway?

And the big one: Why can't I walk the course instead of taking a cart? This one will probably rid me of the moron group after this weekend. The course rules are no walkers on weekends until after 2:00. The course GM said he would waive that for us until we hit Prime Time. Well, Prime Time starts here on April 1. The head moron pitched such a fit last Sunday that the GM let him walk, then told me he would have to push our time back to 1:30 to avoid problems with other members seeing early walkers. I'm caught in the middle of this - I'm bitched at about not being able to walk and I'm bitched at for the later time. We've got a lot of youngish fathers in the group and if they have to choose between not getting home before 7:00 and still having access to the marriage bed, guess which one wins?

So I decided that it would be much better to risk losing the morons than losing anyone else. This week I got us moved back to 12:30 and started a poll. Basically, 12:30, 1:30 or no preference? So far, 12:30 has a huge lead. The only 1:30s are the head moron and 2 of his buddies who've only shown up one. So Sunday afternoon I'll go into the GM's office and tell him leave us at 12:30 and screw the head moron. He'll want his dues back and I'll be glad to pay it out of my own pocket to be rid of him.

JW

JW; sounds like fun, don't you just love morons? If it was me, I'd tell the head moron he knew the situation when he signed up and forget about giving him his money back. If he doesn't want to play, who cares. You and I have talked about walking before, and we would both rather walk, but that's not the point, it's the rules the golf course insists on, not you. Tell him to stick it.
Mr_Divots: One nice thing about being the State Champion in the type of pistol shooting I was doing, meant that no one gives you a lot of grief. They all know I can out shoot them. The type of shooting I did(IPSC) is about defensive shooting. You have to be able to shoot fast enough to stay alive if it was for real, and accurate enough to hit all the targets and not hit a hostage while you are at it. It's similar to what the police have to learn how to do, exact it's about 10 times harder. We have cops come out and shoot the match once in awhile, but they never come back after they see how much they suck at it. Most police officers can't shoot to save their soul, much less save the life of civilians. That's one reason police chiefs don't like guns on the street. Most cops can't pass their own exam to carry a gun without cheating. The one time I got a chance to shoot their course, I shot a perfect score in 30% of the time I was allowed. Doesn't say much for cops. 90% of the shooters we have in our matchs can out shoot the cops, the other 10% can't shoot worth a damn either.

Sheesh JW!
Are there other courses near you? Seems like a lot of constraints from the course itself and a bunch of morons that can't seem to grasp you don't make the rules! Most of the Men's clubs in my area are run by the Pro shop at the clubs. There's a signup sheet for each event. They have Saturday and Sunday events. Play in as many or as few as you wish as long as you've paid your dues. A $5 day games fee and away you go! Tee times are posted the Thurs or Fri before the event. The Pro shop makes the intial pairings for the first event. Not sure how they do things after that. We'll see. 4 man scramble this weekend. Next weekend is a 4 ball format I think and a 16 man event on Sunday. Seems to be well organized. Minnesotans take their golf pretty seriously with the relatively short season, so everything is run pretty efficiently in most cases! I'll be sure to let you know how it goes this Saturday, being I'm a league virgin!

JW: next week, maybe you sould bring alone a block of cheese and a knife. With all that "wining", a little cheese would go well. Remember you are dealing with idiots. Expect the worst, and you will seldom be disappointed.

I finally got a chance to hit the new irons with the Tri-Gold shafts and I think I am going to really like these clubs. Hit some of my best long iron shot ever. I will have to hit a lot more balls to be sure, but it's looking good at this point. I'll report back in more detail when I have had a chance to test the new club more. Later, Don.