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#33969 - 07/18/09 05:27 AM Re: How would you play it? [Re: Bill H.]
selftaughtman Champ Registered: 03/18/09 Posts: 172 Loc: Chester, Va	Scott.... Don't let him buy you... I am waiting for Don to enter the fray... I may need you...STAND-BY... Tony called me the OLD MAN... I need someback-up... Selftaughtman
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#33976 - 07/18/09 09:53 AM Re: How would you play it? [Re: Bill H.]
Bill H. Vance Registered: 08/30/04 Posts: 3186 Loc: Cabo San Lucas & Deadwood, S.D...	Originally Posted By: Bill H. (Scott, PM me and I'll tell you where to send the check). I meant to say, "PM me and let me know where to send the check." _________________________ "Act the way you want to be, And soon you'll be the way you act." O.E.Sage
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#33978 - 07/18/09 11:46 AM Re: How would you play it? [Re: Bill H.]
srushing Vance Registered: 10/28/06 Posts: 3067 Loc: North Carolina	OPh, gotcha! So just send me back the check when it arrives.. _________________________ Golf is a game that can't be won, it can only be played - Bagger Vance
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#33985 - 07/18/09 04:42 PM Re: How would you play it? [Re: Bill H.]
prov1tony Champ Registered: 05/27/09 Posts: 108 Loc: San Ramon, CA. USA	Bill, There is not competition STM is a selfproclaimed Chain Jerker so we can't take much stock there. _________________________ Perception, not possession is 9 tenths of the law
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#33988 - 07/18/09 06:32 PM Re: How would you play it? [Re: prov1tony]
Bill H. Vance Registered: 08/30/04 Posts: 3186 Loc: Cabo San Lucas & Deadwood, S.D...	Tony, Do you know where Northridge CC is in Fair Oaks and Cameron Park CC in Cameron Park, near Sacramento? Bill _________________________ "Act the way you want to be, And soon you'll be the way you act." O.E.Sage
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#33989 - 07/19/09 03:13 AM Re: How would you play it? [Re: Bill H.]
srushing Vance Registered: 10/28/06 Posts: 3067 Loc: North Carolina	I wish you guys could all be sitting watching the waves crash along the shore line like I am....Nice rhythm, just like a smooth golf swing. _________________________ Golf is a game that can't be won, it can only be played - Bagger Vance
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#33993 - 07/19/09 06:08 AM Re: How would you play it? [Re: srushing]
selftaughtman Champ Registered: 03/18/09 Posts: 172 Loc: Chester, Va	YOU GO SCOTT...You deserve it...
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#33995 - 07/19/09 06:10 AM Re: How would you play it? [Re: Bill H.]
prov1tony Champ Registered: 05/27/09 Posts: 108 Loc: San Ramon, CA. USA	North Ridge Country Club is a very nice club.I have played in a tournament there once but have walked the course a few times when my son was playing in tournaments with the JGANC. They sponsored a big tournament every year. It is a nice course great club house but I kind of remember the driving range being problematic. It has been a few years but I remember a big putting area in front of the club house where we all gathered before the tournaments. Very nice club. It is up north by my moms house. I have not played Cameron Park yet. I hear it is a real challenging course though. It is also just outside of Sacramento about an hour from me. _________________________ Perception, not possession is 9 tenths of the law
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#34013 - 07/20/09 05:02 AM Re: How would you play it? [Re: prov1tony]
Aimee Hogan Registered: 06/27/05 Posts: 2145 Loc: NJ	OK, so here is how it was handled at the course over the weekend. They had put red flags and stakes/rope around the areas in question as well as big signs saying "keep off". When we were going over the rules they told us not to hit out of that area, to consider it GUR. Ironically, I hit my tee shot in to a new sand bunker on one of the holes affected. I took a free drop (laterally) out of the bunker as we all agreed that was the correct action. _________________________ The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits. ~ Albert Einstein
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#34051 - 07/21/09 12:27 AM Re: How would you play it? [Re: Aimee]
McFade Amateur Registered: 06/04/09 Posts: 29 Loc: Hamburg, Germany	Originally Posted By: Aimee I took a free drop (laterally) out of the bunker as we all agreed that was the correct action. If the bunker was part of the GUR (beeing completely inside the marked area), the correct spot to drop would be the nearest point of Relief (NPR)outside the ground under repair (GUR). If the ball lies in the GUR more to the fairway side, You might have a nice place to drop. If the ball lies far from the fairway, the NPR might be on the other side of the bunker in nasty rough. The correct way to determine the NPR is described in the definitions to the rules, and the procedure to take relief inrule 25-1 b. In decision 25-1b/2 (look at the home page of USGA): http://www.usga.org/Rule-Books/Rules-of-Golf/Rules-and-Decisions/ is a nice illustration how to find the correct NPR. McFade
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#34069 - 07/21/09 10:04 AM Re: How would you play it? [Re: McFade]
Aimee Hogan Registered: 06/27/05 Posts: 2145 Loc: NJ	Nearest point of relief was the fairway to the right of the bunker and GUR. Left of the bunker was water. _________________________ The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits. ~ Albert Einstein
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#34079 - 07/22/09 05:40 AM Re: How would you play it? [Re: Aimee]
McFade Amateur Registered: 06/04/09 Posts: 29 Loc: Hamburg, Germany	Quote: Nearest point of relief was the fairway to the right of the bunker and GUR. Left of the bunker was water. Sounds like a situation, that was easy to handle. It's always a nice experience, that the rules can help the player. What a pity for those, who do not like to observe the rules strictly. McFade
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#34083 - 07/22/09 11:02 AM Re: How would you play it? [Re: McFade]
DON Vance Registered: 05/04/05 Posts: 4888 Loc: Aurora, Colorado	Interesting that the Bible was brought up for comparison with the Rules of Golf book. Some people will tell you that the Bible is nothing more than the BEST SELLING NOVEL OF ALL TIME. It's been on the Best seller list for as long as the list has been around. It's been tranlated into dozens of languages, some tranlatons not being as good as others. It comes in a few different versions, one's to suit just about any taste. _________________________ Putting is easy, IF you have the right putter. Later, Don.
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#34085 - 07/22/09 04:46 PM Re: How would you play it? [Re: DON]
Klun Master Registered: 11/07/02 Posts: 495 Loc: Washington, PA	God and Golf, wow... In Lee Trevino's words: "If you are caught on a golf course during a storm and are afraid of lightning, hold up a 1-iron. Not even God can hit a 1-iron." _________________________ Golf is a good walk spoiled. ~ Mark Twain Up the Irons \m/
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#34087 - 07/22/09 04:50 PM Re: How would you play it? [Re: DON]
Aimee Hogan Registered: 06/27/05 Posts: 2145 Loc: NJ	Originally Posted By: DON Interesting that the Bible was brought up for comparison with the Rules of Golf book. Some people will tell you that the Bible is nothing more than the BEST SELLING NOVEL OF ALL TIME. It's been on the Best seller list for as long as the list has been around. It's been tranlated into dozens of languages, some tranlatons not being as good as others. It comes in a few different versions, one's to suit just about any taste. And just like the Rules of Golf, people select which rules they want to follow! _________________________ The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits. ~ Albert Einstein
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#34129 - 07/25/09 11:13 AM Re: How would you play it? [Re: Aimee]
prov1tony Champ Registered: 05/27/09 Posts: 108 Loc: San Ramon, CA. USA	That is one of the best things about golf is there is a place for everyone every skill level and every age. You got to love that. _________________________ Perception, not possession is 9 tenths of the law
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#34484 - 08/19/09 03:52 AM Re: How would you play it? [Re: McFade]
87vert Pro Registered: 06/04/09 Posts: 98 Loc: Pittsburgh, PA	Quote: Ground Under Repair "Ground under repair" is any part of the course so marked by order of the Committee or so declared by its authorized representative. All ground and any grass, bush, tree or other growing thing within the ground under repair are part of the ground under repair. Ground under repair includes material piled for removal and a hole made by a greenkeeper, even if not so marked. Grass cuttings and other material left on the course that have been abandoned and are not intended to be removed are not ground under repair unless so marked. When the margin of ground under repair is defined by stakes, the stakes are inside the ground under repair, and the margin of the ground under repair is defined by the nearest outside points of the stakes at ground level. When both stakes and lines are used to indicate ground under repair, the stakes identify the ground under repair and the lines define the margin of the ground under repair. When the margin of ground under repair is defined by a line on the ground, the line itself is in the ground under repair. The margin of ground under repair extends vertically downwards but not upwards. A ball is in ground under repair when it lies in or any part of it touches the ground under repair. Stakes used to define the margin of or identify ground under repair are obstructions. Note: The Committee may make a Local Rule prohibiting play from ground under repair or an environmentally-sensitive area defined as ground under repair. Now reading that it seems as since it is not marked and there is no intent of picking up the straw it is not GUR. However I would simply ask the super to mark it or have a local rule established.
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#34566 - 08/23/09 03:24 PM Re: How would you play it? [Re: 87vert]
Aimee Hogan Registered: 06/27/05 Posts: 2145 Loc: NJ	Update on the area of the course mentioned above...the ground where they freshly sodded or seeded has big signs saying "keep off", the sand traps are in play. Our clue that the traps were in play was when they actually put rakes into them. Every one seems to have figured it out. _________________________ The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits. ~ Albert Einstein
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#34568 - 08/23/09 04:16 PM Re: How would you play it? [Re: Aimee]
87vert Pro Registered: 06/04/09 Posts: 98 Loc: Pittsburgh, PA	That is good. Hopefully they will make the next area they are working on so there is no confusion
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#34698 - 09/06/09 12:16 PM Re: How would you play it? [Re: Aimee]
WGE Hacker Registered: 09/06/09 Posts: 3 Loc: Strongsville, Ohio, USA	I would definitely consider that ground under repair and play it accordingly. I don't think the course management would want you to play your shot from that area. _________________________ David Owner, World Golf Emporium
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#34717 - 09/08/09 01:41 AM Re: How would you play it? [Re: WGE]
McFade Amateur Registered: 06/04/09 Posts: 29 Loc: Hamburg, Germany	@WGE If You read this thread from the beginning, You might find out, that the definitions in the rules of golf state, that "Ground under repair" is any part of the course so marked by order of the Committee or so declared by its authorized representative. So it is not up to the player to decide about it. Bill has already pointed out that You always have the possibility to deem Your ball unplayable and play from another place - taking one penalty stroke (Rule 28). I'm shure that, if You do that and inform the managment of the golf course, there will at least be a lokal rule to be found at the information board the following day. McFade
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