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#821 - 04/30/05 02:31 PM Re: Hybrid club loft
Anonymous Unregistered	Divots; You never know what the swing weight will be until you dry assemble the club and check it on a SW scale. When I just built my new set, I had to add lead weight to all the heads to get the same SW. How much weight varies for some reason, as much as 8 grams difference. As for "crimping", I was going to ask JW that question myself. I have been building clubs for two years, took a class, and I have never heard of the term. When I install a shaft, I sand the tip with 120 emery paper and coat the inside of the hosel and outside of the shaft with epoxy that has shafting beads mixed in. Never had a problem so far. The TX90 R flex weighs 105 at 46", so I figure 90 trimmed to length in the 19* hybrid. That should fit your set nicely I would think. Jake: Before you get a hybrid, why don't you try my new 19* Quick Strike II? And why would you buy a club, when you know someone that will build you a hybrid for a lot less than the cost of the Halo? I got less than $50.00 in my hybrid, that's a lot better than what a Halo would cost. Think about it and let me know. Plus, Golfsmith has all their heads on sale now for 20% off, which is 5% less than I just paid for my set, darn it. Price is good thru May 8th I think.
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#822 - 05/02/05 12:57 PM Re: Hybrid club loft
jake0716 Niklaus Registered: 03/11/05 Posts: 799 Loc: Castle Rock, Co.	great point don. i was just thinking conformity, but if it feels good who cares? one thing i know is i dont want to spend alot of jack since the club will be used sparingly. i also saw the adams "i wood" for 39 bucks at dicks. ill check yours out first don, because ive never felt comfortable with hybrids, but if i could find one i like, it would be a big benefit. thanks, jake
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#823 - 05/02/05 04:37 PM Re: Hybrid club loft
jjw901 Master Registered: 04/14/04 Posts: 616 Loc: Charlotte, NC	Guys, I've been doing clubwork for over 15 years. Back in the old days, 'crimping' was the act of making a couple of small indentations in the tip of the shaft to help the epoxy adhere. There was even a 'crimping tool' which was nothing more than a small rectangular metal box in which you inserted the shaft to a fixed depth. You then took a hammer and a 'crimping pin' (a dull nail would do), inserted the pin in a small hole and tapped it with the hammer. It's an old assembly technique that is rarely used today. In fact, I checked Golfsmith's site and they don't even sell the tool anymore. I was just worried that if Don used the technique he could split the TX90 - that's how thin the shaft is. Don - I've got a hell of a sinus headache right now, but did I see you post something about the iRod shafts having as much as an 8 gram variance? I misread that, I hope. JW
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#824 - 05/02/05 05:09 PM Re: Hybrid club loft
Anonymous Unregistered	Jake, I gotta tell you, I haven't found myself reaching for a 3 iron once in my 8 rounds I've played so far this Spring. They've been 4 different courses with different styles/designs. As for a loft of hybrid, keep in mind you may want to go a little higher with 19º so you can have a better chance of stopping it on the green. This correlates to a 5 wood or two iron loft typically. I would be afraid that if you took out the 3 iron and replaced it with a 17º you would get much the same ballflight and negate the reason for going to a hybrid in the first place. Try not to pay retail for one. I got mine for $90 off Ebay two seasons ago when Taylor was one of the only hybrid clubs on the market. I'm sure they can be had for the same or less now. Also, picking a shaft may be better than going with whatever the OEM's offer. That TX-90 shaft that Don put in his is a great shaft. Lower kickpoint to help get it airborne. Try Don's out. If he can build one for you for $75 or something that would be a good deal. The problem is, everyone thinks they're a pro these days, and the OEM's are putting low ballflight shafts into clubs often times. Ditch the 3 iron. You can choke down on a hybrid to take a few yards off if need be.
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#825 - 05/02/05 05:12 PM Re: Hybrid club loft
mr_divots Hogan Registered: 12/01/04 Posts: 2342 Loc: St. Paul, MN	Jake, I'm anonymous up above. I wan't logged in. I'll have to shoot Chris (admin) a message to let him know about this little glitch in the system. Its good to have people log in to be able to post to the forum! _________________________
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#826 - 05/02/05 05:14 PM Re: Hybrid club loft
ChrisB Niklaus Registered: 04/30/05 Posts: 1141 Loc: Moon Twp., PA USA	got it... I thought I had that configured but must have screwed something up. I'm still learning the new system too, hahaha.. _________________________ Chris Bereznay Golf Gear Review
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#827 - 05/03/05 07:12 AM Re: Hybrid club loft
jake0716 Niklaus Registered: 03/11/05 Posts: 799 Loc: Castle Rock, Co.	Quote: Jake, I gotta tell you, I haven't found myself reaching for a 3 iron once in my 8 rounds I've played so far this Spring. They've been 4 different courses with different styles/designs. As for a loft of hybrid, keep in mind you may want to go a little higher with 19º so you can have a better chance of stopping it on the green. This correlates to a 5 wood or two iron loft typically. I would be afraid that if you took out the 3 iron and replaced it with a 17º you would get much the same ballflight and negate the reason for going to a hybrid in the first place. Try not to pay retail for one. I got mine for $90 off Ebay two seasons ago when Taylor was one of the only hybrid clubs on the market. I'm sure they can be had for the same or less now. Also, picking a shaft may be better than going with whatever the OEM's offer. That TX-90 shaft that Don put in his is a great shaft. Lower kickpoint to help get it airborne. Try Don's out. If he can build one for you for $75 or something that would be a good deal. The problem is, everyone thinks they're a pro these days, and the OEM's are putting low ballflight shafts into clubs often times. Ditch the 3 iron. You can choke down on a hybrid to take a few yards off if need be. actually, i was wanting a hybrid instead of a TWO iron. thats why i was thinking 17-19, and probably split the difference at 18. i rarely use my 3 iron off the turf, but i do like it on the tee box sometimes. i have a 10.5 driver and a 15* 3 wood, but then i go to 21* on my 3 iron. ideally i want a club to be in between those two, and while i love my 4 iron and like my 3 iron, i dont really think i'd get much use out of a 2 iron! my problem though is im hearing that the distance on hyrbids is different from that of irons or even woods. in other words, i wouldnt want to pick up a 19* hybrid and find that because of the ball flight the distance is about the same as the 3 iron. i also wouldnt want to pick up a 17* and find that distance is comparable to the 3 wood. i need something in between. 3 wood goes 230-250 if struck well, and the 3 iron goes 195-215. ideally, i want a club that will cover the 215-235 range. 2 iron distance with a better ball flight and more forgiveness. jake
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#828 - 05/03/05 07:14 AM Re: Hybrid club loft
jake0716 Niklaus Registered: 03/11/05 Posts: 799 Loc: Castle Rock, Co.	Quote: Jake, I'm anonymous up above. I wan't logged in. I'll have to shoot Chris (admin) a message to let him know about this little glitch in the system. Its good to have people log in to be able to post to the forum! funny. i responded before i saw this, but i was thinking "who's anonymous?" im sure there will be some glitches, but i have to say the new set up is really nice!!
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#829 - 05/03/05 08:08 AM Re: Hybrid club loft
mr_divots Hogan Registered: 12/01/04 Posts: 2342 Loc: St. Paul, MN	Jake, I'm thinking you and I probably hit the ball about the same distance with most of our clubs. My 19º hybrid goes about 220 off the tee if I step on it. Don't let my 2 iron comment throw you! A five wood also has 19º loft typically. If you go to 17º, that is more along the lines of 4 wood or a 1 iron!! Consider back when 1 irons were commonplace. Clubs were much weaker in loft. Persimmon drivers usually had about 12-13º loft, about 16-17º for a 3 wood, etc. Being the clubface of a hybrid has "springlike" effect like a 3 wood, it plays a lot like a wood for that reason. You'll "feel" the clubface compress when you hit it. They are like an iron mostly due to the shorter shafts than a comparably-lofted fairway wood. A 19º hybrid will usually be about 39.5 or 40" finished length, where as the 5 wood would probably be about 42". A little less shaft to have to control (like your recent driver experience.)
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#830 - 05/13/05 12:36 PM Re: Hybrid club loft
DON Vance Registered: 05/04/05 Posts: 4887 Loc: Aurora, Colorado	Just got back from hitting the new 19* Snake Eyes hybrid and I have to say I really like the fool thing. Nice high ball flight and good distance. I read the advice that Mr. D posted about playing a hybrid like an iron, and it worked out fine, couldn't be happier. Now I just have to figure out what iron I'm going to leave out of the bag. _________________________ Putting is easy, IF you have the right putter. Later, Don.
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#831 - 05/13/05 01:07 PM Re: Hybrid club loft
mr_divots Hogan Registered: 12/01/04 Posts: 2342 Loc: St. Paul, MN	That's good news Don! Either 5 wood if you carry one, or the 3 iron would be my suggestion. I just got my Sonartec MD 21º today and can't wait to hit it. What a gorgeous club! Hope it plays as good as it looks! Got the IROD UST shaft to add some lift! I'll report back of course after it gets some playtime! _________________________
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#832 - 05/14/05 08:42 AM Re: Hybrid club loft
jake0716 Niklaus Registered: 03/11/05 Posts: 799 Loc: Castle Rock, Co.	question guys: i do think a two iron loft hybrid would benefit me, BUT, i just DO NOT feel comfortable with them. last time out, don and i were hitting on the range. i was hitting the ball fairly well. i used his hybrid, hit four consecutive bad shots, and then went back and hit irons well again. i think part of it is i just dont feel too comfortable with the club, and i cant really firgure if i should hit it like a wood or an iron. do these clubs just take some getting used to? at this point, i'd feel alot more confident with a 2 iron, but obviously thats not the way it SHOULD be. jake
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#833 - 05/14/05 10:04 AM Re: Hybrid club loft
mr_divots Hogan Registered: 12/01/04 Posts: 2342 Loc: St. Paul, MN	Jake, Did you try hitting it off a tee? Then trying to use the same swing off the ground. It's mental, just like everything else in this game. To hit them high you have to hit down on them. being they resemble a wood, it's tought to not swing them with a sweeping wood-like swing. So yes, they do take some getting used to. Maybe a 5 wood is better for you? Two irons are hell to hit! Use at your own risk! _________________________
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#834 - 05/14/05 12:52 PM Re: Hybrid club loft
jake0716 Niklaus Registered: 03/11/05 Posts: 799 Loc: Castle Rock, Co.	i didnt try hitting off a tee, but i probably should. of course im THINKING that i should hit it like an iron (thats what everyone says), but i look at the thing and it throws me off. just couldnt hit it right. i was only thinking 2 iron for the tee box and punch shots, but youre probably right that 5 wood would be better. i used to play 5 wood and liked the club well enough. problem is, even fairway woods now have a low profile look to them. its taken some time to adjust to my new 3 wood, and the times i hit it best are when i place the ball a little further back in my stance and hit down on it. i cant pick it at all. fortunately thats not a distance i see often, but it would be nice to be prepared when i do. you guys remember that conversation we were having about the long par 3's? the typo about a 280 yard par 3? well, i had lunch at a course here yesterday (buffalo run), stopped in the proshop to get a scorecard, and lo and behold, the course has a 260 yard par 3. friggin nuts. thats driver for most everyone, and even for the long hitters if its into a wind. pretty nutty. thats where multiple tee boxes are a blessing!!
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#835 - 05/14/05 07:45 PM Re: Hybrid club loft
mr_divots Hogan Registered: 12/01/04 Posts: 2342 Loc: St. Paul, MN	Jake, I stand corrected. I HATE the Sonartec MD I just got. Very low ballflight. Thing goes straight like nobody's business, only it hardly gets off the ground. Golf Magazine's Clubtest 2005 is full of SH*T!! I can't see why all those testers reccommended the thing! I'm gonna order a Ping G2 7 wood instead! The G2 3 wood came and I'm just killing the thing! Pure bliss! I've still got the taylor rescue mid if I want to put a hybrid in the bag. Go with a 5 wood would definitely be my reccommendation. I like to hit irons too, and I think the hybrid shape may be too wood-like to mentally get over. End up "sweeping' the ball. There's a course by me that has a 280 yard par 3!! It's usually downwind thank heavens! Get this, next set of tees it plays from 175! It's perfectly flat fairway all the way and straight, no bunkers, and the green is sloped silly back to front to try to hold balls. If you end up above the hole on the green its all over!! Talk about strange holes! Everyone from this side of town knows that hole and the consensus is not favorable!! _________________________
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#836 - 05/15/05 08:07 AM Re: Hybrid club loft
DON Vance Registered: 05/04/05 Posts: 4887 Loc: Aurora, Colorado	Jake; if you remember, I didn't hit my new hybrid very well that day either, in fact I hit mostly worm burners with it. Friday I went to the range and hit balls off a mat. I hit my new 600 irons at first and after I hit some ball with my 5 iron, I switched to the Hybrid and hit the ball much better. I just told myself to swing like it was a long iron and the ball jumped off the club face and flew nice and high. I couldn't believe it was the same club. Had a great feel at impact and if I can hit it the same way on the course as I was off the mat, I think I will be quite pleased with it. My guess is that if you take one day hitting balls with the hybrid, you might really like the thing. It might have just been me having a good day at the range, but I hit the long irons and the hybrid really well. Hit some nice drives also. I left the range in the best mood I have been in in a long time. _________________________ Putting is easy, IF you have the right putter. Later, Don.
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#837 - 05/16/05 09:56 AM Re: Hybrid club loft
jake0716 Niklaus Registered: 03/11/05 Posts: 799 Loc: Castle Rock, Co.	Quote: Jake; if you remember, I didn't hit my new hybrid very well that day either, in fact I hit mostly worm burners with it. Friday I went to the range and hit balls off a mat. I hit my new 600 irons at first and after I hit some ball with my 5 iron, I switched to the Hybrid and hit the ball much better. I just told myself to swing like it was a long iron and the ball jumped off the club face and flew nice and high. I couldn't believe it was the same club. Had a great feel at impact and if I can hit it the same way on the course as I was off the mat, I think I will be quite pleased with it. My guess is that if you take one day hitting balls with the hybrid, you might really like the thing. It might have just been me having a good day at the range, but I hit the long irons and the hybrid really well. Hit some nice drives also. I left the range in the best mood I have been in in a long time. ill watch you use it on the course and then see what i think. i know alot of people who swear by em, but like divots said, mentally i think i just keep trying to sweep it. well, played sunday. really tough course (indian peaks). the weather was great (short sleeves at 7:50) but that was about it. i hit mostly good drives, but not very good distance. mid irons were poor (im still overswinging once i leave the range), short irons were very good, and once again putting was terrible. could have been worse i suppose. shot a 94, but the course was near 7000 yards, and the rough was so high we almost stepped on our balls a few times!! its a nice course and well maintained (hale irwin design), but very tough. hopefully that will help me when i get back to aurora hills for The Closed.
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#838 - 05/16/05 01:10 PM Re: Hybrid club loft
DON Vance Registered: 05/04/05 Posts: 4887 Loc: Aurora, Colorado	Mr. D. Before you get too mad at the Sonartec, why not give it one more try. I hit my new Snake Eyes really poorly the first time I tried it, but quite well the second day at the range. Worm burners the first day and nice high ball flight the second. As impossible as it sounds, it must have been me, making bad swings the first time out. _________________________ Putting is easy, IF you have the right putter. Later, Don.
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#839 - 05/16/05 03:04 PM Re: Hybrid club loft
mr_divots Hogan Registered: 12/01/04 Posts: 2342 Loc: St. Paul, MN	I know what you're saying Don. The thing is this: I was hitting 3 wood off the deck pure. That's usually one shot I struggle with. The Sonartec is easy to hit, don't get me wrong. Straight as an arrow and not hard to get airborn. It just hits low balls. Frozen ropes. They were going 220 into a 15 MPH headwind, but I would have no confidence that they would stop on a green is all. The swingweight is also surprisingly light. I think I'm going to order either the 5 or 7 in the G2 fairway with the prolaunch shaft also. Probably the 7, 'cause then I'll have equal spacing of lofts in the fairway woods. TGW.com has a 30 day playability guarantee, so I'm not out the money at least! Just the cost to ship it back. Not a bad program being there aren't any Sonartec demos to be had. Only thing is they give you store credit, and one more chance. The G2 3W is SOOOO nice I think that's the way to go. Vijay plays a 7 wood. He's pretty good!
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#840 - 05/19/05 04:54 PM Re: Hybrid club loft
jjw901 Master Registered: 04/14/04 Posts: 616 Loc: Charlotte, NC	I just bought a Walter Hagen 2i Hybrid the other day. I'll post a review of it shortly, but I took it straight to the course and noticed something y'all may have noticed, too. At first I swung as though it was an iron. Played it back a little and had a steep approach. I hit it OK, but not what I expected. Then I went to a shallow, tight lie fairway wood swing. I hit one good, then topped a couple - at least they rolled a long way. What I'm thinking is the hybrids may demand a hybrid swing. The best for this club was a couple of late shots where I played the ball up a little (like a fairway wood), but hit down on it. Not as steep as an iron, but definitely steeper than a fairway wood. I hit them both about 210 with a slight fade - I can live with that. JW
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#841 - 05/21/05 10:27 AM Re: Hybrid club loft
DON Vance Registered: 05/04/05 Posts: 4887 Loc: Aurora, Colorado	JW; read the tip on the Sonartec site about hitting the hybrids, and then try a few swings. I think you will find that the hybrid is like any other "new" toy, you have to learn what works best for your game. Get a bucket of range balls and hit nothing but the hybrid until you find out whats best. I would recommend you warm up first by hitting a few with a long iron to make sure your swing is working okay. _________________________ Putting is easy, IF you have the right putter. Later, Don.
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#842 - 05/21/05 02:41 PM Re: Hybrid club loft
jake0716 Niklaus Registered: 03/11/05 Posts: 799 Loc: Castle Rock, Co.	let me jump in here. hitting these clubs is MUCH different. both mentally and physically. i got a new adams 3 wood (not a hybrid but certainly a hybrid like fairway wood) and struggled for awhile. bottom line is the scooping method that worked for me with larger head fairway woods didnt work. conversely, hitting down on it like an iron shot didnt really work too well either. kinda in between. ball back in stance further than it would be for older fairway woods. swing similar to that of a long iron. anyway, i really just think they take some getting used to, but once you DO, theyre pretty great. i really enjoy this club now. much more consistent than before. jake
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#843 - 05/23/05 03:52 AM Re: Hybrid club loft
jjw901 Master Registered: 04/14/04 Posts: 616 Loc: Charlotte, NC	I think Jake and I are on the same page here. I've settled on playing the Hagen hybrid about 3 inches front of center and attacking it with a slight descending angle. I hit it 3 times in 9 holes Friday evening and 8 times during our Sunday 18. The worst shot was 185 into a good, stiff wind. The best was 220 downwind to a green I've only hit 2 or 3 times before. I also knocked it to 6 feet on a 190 yd par 3. Also, it passed the most important test of all - I made money this week. JW
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