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#796 - 04/09/05 01:28 PM
Hybrid club loft
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I need to build a new set of irons, and I'm thinking I might get 1 Hybrid while I'm at it. What I am asking you guys is this, what loft would you get if you had to pick one? And what iron would that loft hybrid be equal to? I'm looking for something I can feel comfortable hitting off the deck on second shots, not off the tee. Thanks for your imput. I told the wife she could get my a hybrid club head and shaft for my birthday on the 16th, so I'd appreciate it if you can reply before that with your choice. Thanks guys. 
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#798 - 04/11/05 12:06 PM
Re: Hybrid club loft
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Smart man Mike; I am looking at the Snake Eyes Quick Strike II hybrids. Thanks for your reply, will keep it in mind when I am deciding which one to get. I hardly ever hit my 3 and 4 irons, so I could just forget building them, and then get 2 hybrids. That is one option I have been thinking over. Any opinion on going that route?
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#799 - 04/11/05 03:44 PM
Re: Hybrid club loft
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Niklaus
Registered: 03/11/05
Posts: 799
Loc: Castle Rock, Co.
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im with divots here don.
personally, i dont like the things, but then again, i do like my 3 and 4 iron.
anyway, if i was going to get a hybrid, i'd go with a 19* like divots suggested, or maybe a 21*, which would correspond to most 3 irons.
jake
ps- hope for snow melt!!! don, its not as bad up here, so maybe we can just move the closed up north for a round if needs be. i really want to practice AND play 18. im thinking if we delay teeing off until after noon we may just be okay. its melting off pretty quick.
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#800 - 04/11/05 04:55 PM
Re: Hybrid club loft
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I'm still undecided. I could not build the 3 and 4 irons and save the money, but I really hate to build only part of the set of irons. And I hate to admit I can't hit the longer irons. EGO IS A CURSE. I could build 3-PW and build a hybrid or two and then see what I hit the best, and what's the best combination for my bag of sticks. That might be the smart thing to do, if you don't consider the extra money it would cost to build all of them and then leave some of them home every week. Kind of like having more than one driver when you know dame well you will only take one to the course. I mention that only because I'm still tempted to order a 10.5* and a 12* driver head for future needs. One for windy days and one for the calm days. Doesn't make a lot of sense, but what about golf does? Mr_divots, in case Jake didn't tell you, we got 18 inches of snow Sunday, and we are hoping to practice and play 18 Wednesday. It's melting, but I don't know if it will be gone in time. Later, Don.
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#802 - 04/11/05 05:16 PM
Re: Hybrid club loft
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Hogan
Registered: 12/01/04
Posts: 2342
Loc: St. Paul, MN
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I was thinking of you guys when I heard the national weather report! Yikes! I have re-worked my bag a little and it has suited me well thus far. Driver, 3 wood, 19* rescue, 4-PW, GW, SW, LW, Putter. Most times, 3 iron will roll off the green anyway. I can choke down on the rescue to take some yardage off. I can hit a 3 iron a long way, but not high enough to take advantage. Figured its all about hitting it high and landing it soft, so out went the 3 iron. If its really windy it may go back in. 19* and 22* hybrids would most likely work well. The pros use them without shame, and they have pretty big egos! Are you telling us you have a bigger ego than the pros?! It's not often you hear, "He sure skulled that three iron into the woods with authority! He must be a real man..." Low scores, GOOD. High scores BAD. Fire, HOT! 
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#804 - 04/12/05 10:35 AM
Re: Hybrid club loft
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Maybe EGO wasn't the right word. One reason not to build and hit the 3&4 irons, is that you can't hit them well. And I hate to think that I can't learn to hit them well enough to want them in the bag. In all honesty, I don't practice with the long irons much, if at all, and I didn't practice much with the driver much until this past fall. So if I can learn to hit my driver a lot better over the past 6 months, it makes sense I can learn to hit the long irons this spring and summer. I have a 7 wood that I really like off the tee, but I haven't had much of a chance to practice hitting it off the deck over the winter. We don't have many places that allow hitting off the grass in the winter, due to the grass not growing back until summer. As soon as my range opens up the grass section for practice, I'm hoping to get the woods in order off the deck, and then I might not want a hybrid at all. Not in a hurry to build a new set, so I can wait and see how it goes hitting off the grass in a few weeks or so. Thanks for your imput.
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#806 - 04/12/05 02:06 PM
Re: Hybrid club loft
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No, I'm not re-shafting my LX2 irons, they are fine as is. I had built a set of Snake Eyes 600C irons, and I have been practicing with them the past few months and getting pretty good with them. Then a friend tried them and liked them enough that he purchased them from me. So now I am looking into building a replacement set. Since I built the 600C's, Golfsmith has come out with the 600XC's. The XC's have a bigger cavity for more foregiveness and they are also longer heel to toe, with wider soles. I'm thinking of maybe building a set with the 600C's,PW thru 6 iron, and 600XC's for 5 to 3 iron. Just one of the ways I could build the set. I was getting better each time I practiced with the 600C's, so I don't know if I need to go with the 600XC's or not. Both of them are rated as being very workable, with the XC's being more foregiving. The XC's are supposed to get the ball into the air easier, so that might be nice with the longer irons. If I can gain foregiveness and not lose any ability to work the ball, and get a higher ball flight, that would be hard to beat, I would think. If you get a chance, check out Golfsmiths website and let me know what you think of the two irons. Always interested in another opinion and point of view. Later, Don.
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#808 - 04/12/05 07:12 PM
Re: Hybrid club loft
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I have Tri-Gold shafts in my LX2's now, that's why I know I want them in the new set of irons. I have had my lie checked and I'm one of those lucky guys that happens to fit standard lie angles. Plus, if I build the 600 series irons, Golfsmith will bend them to fit if need be for free. They offer that service with all iron sets they sell. The reason I want to go with the 600 series is that they are real, real close to being the MP30's with a different name. Compared them side by side, and they look like them were made in the same forge setup. I know the top line is slightly different with the XC's, and I intend to go to Golfsmith and check them out compared to the 600C's. If the difference is too much, that will have an effect on my choice. I received the Tri_Gold shafts an hour ago, and they are exactly what was advertised. I'm quite pleased, cost me $77 for the set of 9 shafts. I also got a 15% off coupon from Golfsmith that will come in handy soon. Been waiting for the 600 series heads to go on sale, and now I can get 15% off. That will work. Decision time is getting closer. I think I'll call Golfsmith and talk to someone and see what I can learn about the difference in the 600C's and XC's. Ball flight, feel, being able to work the ball, distance, ease of hitting solid shots. All that stuff. The coupon is good until the end of April, so I should have time to get some infomation back from them and make a good decision. At least I hope to. UPS just dropped off a dozen Callaway HX Tour golf balls at my door. I traded in some reward points on my credit card for them, so the price was right. Why does Callaway have to use a different size box than the rest of the world? They don't fit on my shelve with all the rest of the golf balls. Minor detail, but still a pain. :rolleyes: Time to get out the ball spinner again.
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#809 - 04/12/05 08:02 PM
Re: Hybrid club loft
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Mr_Divots: just read your review on the HX tour. Amazing how some of the other reviewers couldn't get the ball to spin coming into the green. Makes it hard to know what a ball can and can't do when the reviews are so much apart. I think I'll go by your review, at least until I have a chance to play the ball myself. Later, Don.
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#811 - 04/13/05 10:02 AM
Re: Hybrid club loft
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The new Tri-Gold shafts are for a set of 600 series irons to replace the set of 600C's I just sold to a friend. He only wanted the 3-PW, so I still have the GW,SW, and LW. One more reason the stay with the 600 series irons, they will match the wedges I didn't sell with the iron set. Sorry for all the confusion. In truth, I ordered 2 sets of the Tri-Gold shafts at that price. If I decide that the R flex really is more accurate then the X-stiff flex in my LX2's, it would be cheaper to just buy all new LX2 heads then to pull the shafts out of the set I have. They only cost $75.00 for the 3-PW, plus a GW, and SW. I could sell my current set for more than that and be better off. I did hit the ball straighter that one day with the R flex shafts, but that was only one day. Most days, I'm quite accurate with the LX2's with the X-stiff shafts. What I'd really like to do if it was free, is build a new set of LX2's with the R flex shafts and then hit balls with both sets over a period of time and see what results I get for 50 or 100 shots. That would tell me more than hitting 5 or 6 balls on a launch monitor in a store. Unfortunately, money is an issue and I can't just build and extra set for fun. What a rotten world.
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#812 - 04/20/05 01:14 AM
Re: Hybrid club loft
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Pro
Registered: 11/09/04
Posts: 59
Loc: KY
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Hey Don, first chance I've gotten to reply to this, but I have Cobra Baffler 19* equvivalent to a 3 wood or iron. I'll tell you this is a great club I use it of the deck, ruff, and the tee. I use it for shots from 200-250 yds. It gets good hieght and has a sweet feel to it. After I bought it I tested the TM Res Mid to match my irons It felt a little thin for me the Cobra I'm telling you is kick ass club. My budy uses it all the time when we play I finally had to make him get one of his own. I got it on golfdiscount.com for $119 free shipping with athe standard steel stiff flex shaft, If your still looking for a Hybrid I highly recommend this club go hit some where you'll love it
Devon
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#813 - 04/29/05 10:04 AM
Re: Hybrid club loft
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After reading the advise of the rest of you guys, I decided on going with a 19* Snake Eyes Quick Strike II for the hybrid. Will let you know how it works out when I get a chance to try it on the course. Some time after it stops snowing. :rolleyes: Thanks again for all your input. I appreciate it. Later, Don.
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#816 - 04/29/05 04:00 PM
Re: Hybrid club loft
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Anonymous
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Decided to go with a TT TX90 R flex steel shaft. I wanted the hybrid to be as close to my iron set as possible, and that meant a steel shaft. Plus with a steel shaft, it's 1 inch shorter, which should help control and accuracy.I picked the TX90 because it's lighter than most and has a low kick point, which should help hit the ball nice and high for softer landing, hopefully on the green. :rolleyes: The TX90 shaft is about half way between my driver shaft and my iron shafts in terms of weight, which I think will help the hybrid blend in well between the irons and my woods. At least that's the idea. Yes, we got about 3 inchs of wet snow that should help the grass and be melted off by tomorrow. High for the day has been 29 degrees, so golf is not in the cards. I built the hybrid to the specs Golfsmith called for, 40.5 inches. I compared it to my 7 wood and it's about 1.5 inches shorter, so it should be even easier to hit than the 7. I will not complain if it works out that way, especilly if I can get good distance out of it also. Will let you know later, Don.
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#819 - 04/30/05 10:51 AM
Re: Hybrid club loft
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Niklaus
Registered: 03/11/05
Posts: 799
Loc: Castle Rock, Co.
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divots,
i took out my 5 wood so i can carry a 60* also.
i now have pw, 50*, 56*, and 60*.
that leaves me with just driver and 15* for woods, since i carry 3 iron.
here's what ive been thinking.
i think having a hybrid (17 or 19. probably 17) would be beneficial, but i ALSO think the 60* is a benefit.
what do you think about alternating clubs?
in other words, i was thinking about picking up the hybrid (looking at the cleveland halo), and then structuring the bag based on the course im playing.
at aurora hills where don and i play, the 60* wedge isnt really necessary for me (i prefer bump and run shots and that course is very open to that shot), but the hybrid would be a big help on the par fives (a few of which are reachable in two).
at my home course in castle rock (red hawk ridge), the hybrid wouldnt be as much help, but the 60* would be.
it seems a shame to spend the dough for a club that wont be in my bag all the time, but then i would have hybrid (2 iron loft), 3 iron, AND 60* wedge all at my disposal, and i could see which ones are the most useful depending on course and conditions.
sound like a good plan, or should i just stick with what i have and keep consistency in the bag?
any opinions welcome.
jake
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#821 - 04/30/05 02:31 PM
Re: Hybrid club loft
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Anonymous
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Divots; You never know what the swing weight will be until you dry assemble the club and check it on a SW scale. When I just built my new set, I had to add lead weight to all the heads to get the same SW. How much weight varies for some reason, as much as 8 grams difference. As for "crimping", I was going to ask JW that question myself. I have been building clubs for two years, took a class, and I have never heard of the term. When I install a shaft, I sand the tip with 120 emery paper and coat the inside of the hosel and outside of the shaft with epoxy that has shafting beads mixed in. Never had a problem so far. The TX90 R flex weighs 105 at 46", so I figure 90 trimmed to length in the 19* hybrid. That should fit your set nicely I would think. Jake: Before you get a hybrid, why don't you try my new 19* Quick Strike II? And why would you buy a club, when you know someone that will build you a hybrid for a lot less than the cost of the Halo? I got less than $50.00 in my hybrid, that's a lot better than what a Halo would cost. Think about it and let me know. Plus, Golfsmith has all their heads on sale now for 20% off, which is 5% less than I just paid for my set, darn it.  Price is good thru May 8th I think.
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#824 - 05/02/05 05:09 PM
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Anonymous
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Jake, I gotta tell you, I haven't found myself reaching for a 3 iron once in my 8 rounds I've played so far this Spring. They've been 4 different courses with different styles/designs. As for a loft of hybrid, keep in mind you may want to go a little higher with 19º so you can have a better chance of stopping it on the green. This correlates to a 5 wood or two iron loft typically. I would be afraid that if you took out the 3 iron and replaced it with a 17º you would get much the same ballflight and negate the reason for going to a hybrid in the first place. Try not to pay retail for one. I got mine for $90 off Ebay two seasons ago when Taylor was one of the only hybrid clubs on the market. I'm sure they can be had for the same or less now. Also, picking a shaft may be better than going with whatever the OEM's offer. That TX-90 shaft that Don put in his is a great shaft. Lower kickpoint to help get it airborne. Try Don's out. If he can build one for you for $75 or something that would be a good deal. The problem is, everyone thinks they're a pro these days, and the OEM's are putting low ballflight shafts into clubs often times. Ditch the 3 iron. You can choke down on a hybrid to take a few yards off if need be. 
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#827 - 05/03/05 07:12 AM
Re: Hybrid club loft
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Niklaus
Registered: 03/11/05
Posts: 799
Loc: Castle Rock, Co.
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Jake,
I gotta tell you, I haven't found myself reaching for a 3 iron once in my 8 rounds I've played so far this Spring. They've been 4 different courses with different styles/designs. As for a loft of hybrid, keep in mind you may want to go a little higher with 19º so you can have a better chance of stopping it on the green. This correlates to a 5 wood or two iron loft typically. I would be afraid that if you took out the 3 iron and replaced it with a 17º you would get much the same ballflight and negate the reason for going to a hybrid in the first place. Try not to pay retail for one. I got mine for $90 off Ebay two seasons ago when Taylor was one of the only hybrid clubs on the market. I'm sure they can be had for the same or less now. Also, picking a shaft may be better than going with whatever the OEM's offer. That TX-90 shaft that Don put in his is a great shaft. Lower kickpoint to help get it airborne. Try Don's out. If he can build one for you for $75 or something that would be a good deal. The problem is, everyone thinks they're a pro these days, and the OEM's are putting low ballflight shafts into clubs often times. Ditch the 3 iron. You can choke down on a hybrid to take a few yards off if need be.
actually, i was wanting a hybrid instead of a TWO iron.
thats why i was thinking 17-19, and probably split the difference at 18.
i rarely use my 3 iron off the turf, but i do like it on the tee box sometimes.
i have a 10.5 driver and a 15* 3 wood, but then i go to 21* on my 3 iron.
ideally i want a club to be in between those two, and while i love my 4 iron and like my 3 iron, i dont really think i'd get much use out of a 2 iron!
my problem though is im hearing that the distance on hyrbids is different from that of irons or even woods.
in other words, i wouldnt want to pick up a 19* hybrid and find that because of the ball flight the distance is about the same as the 3 iron.
i also wouldnt want to pick up a 17* and find that distance is comparable to the 3 wood.
i need something in between.
3 wood goes 230-250 if struck well, and the 3 iron goes 195-215.
ideally, i want a club that will cover the 215-235 range.
2 iron distance with a better ball flight and more forgiveness.
jake
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#828 - 05/03/05 07:14 AM
Re: Hybrid club loft
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Niklaus
Registered: 03/11/05
Posts: 799
Loc: Castle Rock, Co.
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Jake, I'm anonymous up above. I wan't logged in. I'll have to shoot Chris (admin) a message to let him know about this little glitch in the system. Its good to have people log in to be able to post to the forum!
funny.
i responded before i saw this, but i was thinking "who's anonymous?"
im sure there will be some glitches, but i have to say the new set up is really nice!!
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#834 - 05/14/05 12:52 PM
Re: Hybrid club loft
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Niklaus
Registered: 03/11/05
Posts: 799
Loc: Castle Rock, Co.
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i didnt try hitting off a tee, but i probably should.
of course im THINKING that i should hit it like an iron (thats what everyone says), but i look at the thing and it throws me off.
just couldnt hit it right.
i was only thinking 2 iron for the tee box and punch shots, but youre probably right that 5 wood would be better. i used to play 5 wood and liked the club well enough.
problem is, even fairway woods now have a low profile look to them.
its taken some time to adjust to my new 3 wood, and the times i hit it best are when i place the ball a little further back in my stance and hit down on it.
i cant pick it at all.
fortunately thats not a distance i see often, but it would be nice to be prepared when i do.
you guys remember that conversation we were having about the long par 3's?
the typo about a 280 yard par 3?
well, i had lunch at a course here yesterday (buffalo run), stopped in the proshop to get a scorecard, and lo and behold, the course has a 260 yard par 3.
friggin nuts.
thats driver for most everyone, and even for the long hitters if its into a wind.
pretty nutty.
thats where multiple tee boxes are a blessing!!
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#837 - 05/16/05 09:56 AM
Re: Hybrid club loft
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Niklaus
Registered: 03/11/05
Posts: 799
Loc: Castle Rock, Co.
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Jake; if you remember, I didn't hit my new hybrid very well that day either, in fact I hit mostly worm burners with it. Friday I went to the range and hit balls off a mat. I hit my new 600 irons at first and after I hit some ball with my 5 iron, I switched to the Hybrid and hit the ball much better. I just told myself to swing like it was a long iron and the ball jumped off the club face and flew nice and high. I couldn't believe it was the same club. Had a great feel at impact and if I can hit it the same way on the course as I was off the mat, I think I will be quite pleased with it. My guess is that if you take one day hitting balls with the hybrid, you might really like the thing. It might have just been me having a good day at the range, but I hit the long irons and the hybrid really well. Hit some nice drives also. I left the range in the best mood I have been in in a long time.
ill watch you use it on the course and then see what i think.
i know alot of people who swear by em, but like divots said, mentally i think i just keep trying to sweep it.
well, played sunday.
really tough course (indian peaks).
the weather was great (short sleeves at 7:50) but that was about it.
i hit mostly good drives, but not very good distance.
mid irons were poor (im still overswinging once i leave the range), short irons were very good, and once again putting was terrible.
could have been worse i suppose.
shot a 94, but the course was near 7000 yards, and the rough was so high we almost stepped on our balls a few times!!
its a nice course and well maintained (hale irwin design), but very tough.
hopefully that will help me when i get back to aurora hills for The Closed.
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